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Poster: garthus Date: Aug 8, 2009 2:42pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: More Google Scan(m)s

Nothing surprises me concerning Goggles antics. There is so much public domain materials out there we should concentrate on digitizing them while paying a wary eye to Goggles antics. If one counts all specifications, service, users, and other type of equipment manuals; product brochures and packaging; specialty publications; such a large treasure trove of disappearing materials exists; (probably more than 95% of the materials published before March of 1989) which is incontrovertibly in the public domain. Lionel train manuals for example were never copyrighted, I have placed some from my collection in the archive; but materials such as this have been neglected and are a very important part of Cultural and technological history. I would worry about putting up what is out there first and once the archiove achieves a critical mass of items posted; goole and the other proprietary parasites will be less and less able to exert such monopolistic control.

I work in a library consortium and the other day noticed that libraries have paid access to EBSCO databases which charge the taxpayers to give them PDF copies of works such as Machiavelli's 'The Prince". Not only does this exhibit the level of incompetence and laziness on the part of some so-called professional library administrators; but it also exposes the very weak underside of the entire corporate_public/education_library bureaucratic monster which has been created in the West. I am sure that as economic times in the West get even worse, the entire rotten and corrupt house of academia which has been built in the last 50-100 years will face serious consequences when people realize that the Internet Archive will probably have the most comprehensive collection of documents available (text, video, and audio), and available to anyone at any time, without the necessity for mediation through (so-called) professional librarians and academics. Nothing Google or our publishing parasites do can change this now.

Garthus

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Poster: Jim Carlile Date: Aug 8, 2009 7:39pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: More Google Scan(m)s

Hey, then they'll just try to buy the Archive!

This is indeed a nutty age-- don't even get me started on most librarians-- I'm convinced so many of them just hate books-- at least the managers.

A real age of barbarism. I get a kick out of archivists on other lists who worry to death about preserving films and videos, etc., but turn around and defend the mass "weeding" of books by their bosses. It's crazy.

BTW, the Google Agreement requires disclosure of ALL PD works no matter the date. No doubt Google has already researched the status of many of their 1922-1964 works, but is holding back the info.

And the UC agreement requires full-view of all PD works, but who says Google needs to post THEIR scans and not someone else's where this condition doesn't exist?

My prediction is that there is no way in hell that Google will giving out free downloads of PD works when the corpus gets enlarged with all of the free pre-1964 stuff.

And orphan works? Forget about it-- they are now back in print, Google style, so there is an incentive to keep them in copyright and none to release them.

So in other words, I spot a trend here...